Monday, October 28, 2013

Stop Pushing!

Toldot: "Stop Pushing" - Genesis 25:19-28

19. This is the legacy of Isaac the son of Abraham; Abraham fathered Isaac.יט. וְאֵלֶּה תּוֹלְדֹת יִצְחָק בֶּן אַבְרָהָם אַבְרָהָם הוֹלִיד אֶת יִצְחָק:
20. And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebecca the daughter of Bethuel the Aramean of Padan Aram, the sister of Laban the Aramean, to himself for a wife.כ. וַיְהִי יִצְחָק בֶּן אַרְבָּעִים שָׁנָה בְּקַחְתּוֹ אֶת רִבְקָה בַּת בְּתוּאֵל הָאֲרַמִּי מִפַּדַּן אֲרָם אֲחוֹת לָבָן הָאֲרַמִּי לוֹ לְאִשָּׁה:
21. And Isaac prayed to the Eternal facing his wife because she was barren, and the Eternal accepted his prayer, and Rebecca his wife conceived.כא. וַיֶּעְתַּר יִצְחָק לַיהֹוָה לְנֹכַח אִשְׁתּוֹ כִּי עֲקָרָה הִוא וַיֵּעָתֶר לוֹ יְהֹוָה וַתַּהַר רִבְקָה אִשְׁתּוֹ:
22. And the children struggled within her, and she said, "If [it be] so, why am I [like] this?" And she went to inquire of the Eternal.כב. וַיִּתְרֹצֲצוּ הַבָּנִים בְּקִרְבָּהּ וַתֹּאמֶר אִם כֵּן לָמָּה זֶּה אָנֹכִי וַתֵּלֶךְ לִדְרשׁ אֶת יְהֹוָה:
23. And the Eternal said to her, "Two nations are in your womb, and two kingdoms will separate from your inside, and one kingdom will become mightier than the other kingdom, and the elder will serve the younger.כג. וַיֹּאמֶר יְהֹוָה לָהּ שְׁנֵי גוֹיִם בְּבִטְנֵךְ וּשְׁנֵי לְאֻמִּים מִמֵּעַיִךְ יִפָּרֵדוּ וּלְאֹם מִלְאֹם יֶאֱמָץ וְרַב יַעֲבֹד צָעִיר:
24. And her days to give birth were completed, and there were twins in her womb!כד. וַיִּמְלְאוּ יָמֶיהָ לָלֶדֶת וְהִנֵּה תוֹמִם בְּבִטְנָהּ:
25. And the first one emerged ruddy; he was completely like a coat of hair, and they named him Esau.כה. וַיֵּצֵא הָרִאשׁוֹן אַדְמוֹנִי כֻּלּוֹ כְּאַדֶּרֶת שֵׂעָר וַיִּקְרְאוּ שְׁמוֹ עֵשָׂו:
26. And afterwards, his brother emerged, and his hand was grasping Esau's heel, and he named him Jacob. Now Isaac was sixty years old when she gave birth to them.כו. וְאַחֲרֵי כֵן יָצָא אָחִיו וְיָדוֹ אֹחֶזֶת בַּעֲקֵב עֵשָׂו וַיִּקְרָא שְׁמוֹ יַעֲקֹב וְיִצְחָק בֶּן שִׁשִּׁים שָׁנָה בְּלֶדֶת אֹתָם:
27. And the youths grew up, and Esau was a man who understood hunting, a man of the field, but Jacob was a simple man, dwelling in tents.כז. וַיִּגְדְּלוּ הַנְּעָרִים וַיְהִי עֵשָׂו אִישׁ יֹדֵעַ צַיִד אִישׁ שָׂדֶה וְיַעֲקֹב אִישׁ תָּם ישֵׁב אֹהָלִים:
28. And Isaac loved Esau because [his] hunting was in his mouth, but Rebecca loved Jacob.כח. וַיֶּאֱהַב יִצְחָק אֶת עֵשָׂו כִּי צַיִד בְּפִיו וְרִבְקָה אֹהֶבֶת אֶת יַעֲקֹב:

Guide Questions:

1. According to the midrash in the Stone Chumash (p. 125, or see Rashi on "opposite his wife"), how did Isaac and Rebecca stand when they prayed for a child? What do you think this symbolizes about how married people should face difficulties?

2. According to the midrash in the Stone Chumash (p. 125), what does it mean that the children "struggled" or were "agitated" within her? What did Jacob want to "run" to, even from the womb? What did Esau? Do you think people are born with natural urges or desires to do certain things, good or bad?

3. According to the midrash in the Stone Chumash (p. 126), what did Esau having red hair symbolize? How was this different from King David? What is the lesson this midrash is trying to teach?

4. According to Rashi on verse 27, what does it mean that "Esau was a man who understood hunting"? What does it mean that Jacob was a "simple" or "innocent" man?

5. Read "The Most Serious Thing That Ever Happened to Me," by Esau Isaacson in Text Messages (p. 24, Rabbi Mordecai Finley). What emotions did Esau experience? What was the most serious thing that happened to him?

6. According to The Women's Torah Commentary (p. 136), under "Adonai said to her," how does God reply to Rebecca? What two other mothers are mentioned in the Tanach that pray about their children? What does this imply about God talking to men and/or women?

7. In Rabbi Nachman's Torah commentary (p. 206), on "two nations are in your womb," what does he mean that "a person cannot have it both ways"? Do you agree?

53 comments:

  1. Our guide question is number six. We used the women's commentary to answer our question. Our question asked how God replied to Rebecca and only Rebecca after she asked God what was going on in her womb.Our commentary says that God replies to Rebecca directly instead of Issac. There are two other biblical mothers that God talks to about their sons future. Those two biblical mothers are Hagar and Sampson's mother.

    Ari and Adin

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    1. Nice. Indeed the women seem more spiritual in the Torah

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    2. By God only talking to these two specific women directly, could that be one of God's ways of picking favorites?

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    3. Does God pick favorites? Or does God just talk to people who are more spiritual?

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    4. We didn't think God was picking favorites, God was just choosing the best people who just happened to be those women.

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    5. Let's hope if God picks favourites, it's based on their merit, not bias.

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    6. Maybe that's also the reason why Jacob was more spiritual. Also, maybe that's also why Rebecca has a favorite son.

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    7. But if God thinks that they are the best, these two women, then wouldn't that be God picking favorites? If God didn't have favorites then wouldn't God talk to all the women?

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    8. Yeah, maybe Rebecca prefered spirituality because she was that way herself

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    9. I don't understand. It's Rebecca's children. Why would God talk to Isaac indirectly when Rebecca is the one who needs the knowledge of her children? Isn't it Rebecca who has Esau and Jacob, not Isaac?

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    10. how can we be more or less spiritual? I mean, if Im a farmer who works twelve hours a day and doesnt get a change to pray, but i provide food for the scholars who study 12 hours a day, am I less sipritual than them? I made their study possible, not to mention made food for goodnes knows how many people!

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  2. Commentator: Rabbi Mordecai Finley
    Question: What emotions did Esau experience? What was the most serious thing that happened to him:
    Answer: He felt like he was betrayed and that he was not in his own body. He got his command taken away from him
    Lessons: It can take your whole life to find who you are but you shall never try to be like someone you are not

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    1. Did Esau really feel like he wasn't himself? Or did he just feel stupid and tricked?

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    2. Good job with the list and colons

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    3. from micah and leora

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    4. We agree with Giselle we think Esau felt like he was tricked.

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    5. I think he felt both. Ben and I did the same question.

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    6. If you think about what Rashi said about trapping, he just got tricked back.

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    7. I herd commentary that Esau made this bad choice while he was very hungry and he needed the soup so bad that is was easy to trick him. So it was even worse that Rebecca and Jacob would trick him while he was hungry.

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    8. btw this is by Adin and Ari

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    9. But what if it's just a cover? He could be lying...

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  3. From Giselle and Kol:
    We used Rashi for our commentator. Rashi answered the question 4. According to Rashi on verse 27, what does it mean that "Esau was a man who understood hunting"? What does it mean that Jacob was a "simple" or "innocent" man?
    Rashi's answer was:
    who understood hunting: [He knew how] to trap and to deceive his father with his mouth and ask him,“Father, how do we tithe salt and straw?” His father thereby thought that he was scrupulous in his observance of the commandments (Tanchuma, Toeldoth 8).
    an innocent man: He was not an expert in all these [matters]. Like his heart, so was his mouth. A person who is not astute at deceiving is called תָּם, innocent.
    Rashi added to our understanding of the text because we didn't know that Esau was a hunter using his mouth. We thought he physically hunted animals. But he really manipulated his father by getting him to say certain things to him. Jacob was innocent because he was not good at manipulating his father. His heart and mouth were innocent because of this.

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    1. That's cool. It's like Hitler being such a good speaker

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    2. So Issac loved Esau because he would make him food?

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  4. We were reading some Rashi commentary on verse 27. He said that "and the youths grew up" means that they started having more recogniseable charachteristics. I was thinking about how, when you're younger, people don't label you or care about what you do, but once you get older, you fall into certain cliques and people start noticing what you do, for instance, "oh, what's she doing, what's she wearing, eww that shirt is ugly" etc.
    -Liora and Alex

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    1. If you ask me, it's more like adults treat >13 year olds with more respect, because they can visually see that their bodies are maturing, even if they don't want to admit that that's why.

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    2. Growing up isn't only bout image but about personality and how mature you are.

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    3. I agree with Mia.

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    4. I agree with mialustig. people have more different personalities when they mature. Like, maybe at 8, two people have the same personality, but at 13+, they seem very different.

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    5. That's definitely happened to me.

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  5. Leora and Micah
    We are studying the commentary in the Stone Chumash. This commentary is answering guide question number one,(p. 125, or see Rashi on "opposite his wife"), how did Isaac and Rebecca stand when they prayed for a child? What do you think this symbolizes about how married people should face difficulties?). This commentary is discussing the quote "Isaac entreated" וַיֶּעְתַּר יִצְחָק. In this commentary, Rashi says that Isaac and Rebecca prayed to God in two opposite corners. They didn't even intentionally pray at the same time. Also, Pirkei d'Rabbi Eliezer says that Isaac took Rebecca to pray on Mount Moriah where the Akeidah was. This tells us that both of these parents really wanted to have children. Additionally, maybe the idea that the parents were praying separately tells us that they were praying for two different kinds of children. They ended up with Yakov and Esau, two completely different children.

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  6. Jules & Noah
    Question 1
    Commentator: Rashi
    Rashi says, "This one (Isaac) was standing in this corner and praying, and that one (Rebecca) was standing in that corner and praying." We think that Issac and Rebecca prayed across from each other because maybe they couldn't grasp the idea that G-d is every where. Also, maybe because they were choosing sides (but they didn't know it). Isaac -> Esau and Rebecca -> Jacob.
    Noah & Jules

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    1. Ooh, a list and colons :)

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    2. Your comment about them choosing sides without knowing is interesting. It is odd that they prayed at opposite sides. I wonder if they noticed each other, they would decide to pray together instead of alone.

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  7. Lili and Yosef's guide question (we are doing #4): Rashi thinks that when Esav uses his mouth, it means he uses his words to trap his dad. Rashi says that Esav pretended to be interested in his dads spiritual stuff, even though he is not at all. I agree with Rashi because Issac loved Esav more than Jacob and thats why.

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  8. We used the commentator Rashi. We studied guide question number four, which asked: According to Rashi on verse 27, what does it mean that "Esau was a man who understood hunting"? What does it mean that Jacob was a "simple" or "innocent" man? Rashi says that Esau is a man who understands hunting because he asks a lot of questions even though he doesn't really care. Rashi says that Jacob is an innocent man because he wasn't aware of bad things. Doing bad things confused him. We agree with Rashi because if you ask a lot of questions someone will believe that you understand everything. We also agree about Issac because he is confused and doesn't understand anything bad.
    -Mia and Clara

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  9. Rashi teaches us that the words “Esav was a man who understood hunting” didn't just mean that to be in the literal sense. Rashi writes that Esav was skilled at “trapping” or deceiving his father with his words. Esav was good at out-thinking his father. He made his father believe that he was very thorough and very serious about observing the commandments.
    Jacob was an “innocent” man because he couldn't detect easily when someone was lying to him or trying to trick him. He saw the innocence in everyone he interacted with.

    In our opinion, what Rashi wrote made complete sense. We agree that Jacob was an innocent man in that sense. If he wasn't he wouldn't have been able to have gotten deceived as easily as he does over and over again in this story. For example when Ya’acov put on some fur and to Jacob he was Esav Jacob probably didn't even think for a second that he was being tricked. He wouldn't have possibly expected that from his own son. He seems like the kind of man who sees the best in people when ever he gets the chance.

    By Danielle and Rebecca

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  10. Micah and Leora
    Commentator Chumash: Stone Edition Chumash
    Question: What does agitated mean? Where did Jacob and where did Esau run? What does this mean about our urges and desires.
    Answer: It means run. Jacob ran to a Torah academy. Esau ran to a temple of worship. We are born with our desires
    Morals: We may have our desires but always remember to do what is right

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  11. Itai and Jared:
    Our commentator's name is Rashi, who answered the question of "What does it mean that "Esau was a man who understood hunting"? What does it mean that Jacob was a "simple" or "innocent" man?" Rashi's answer to this question is that Esau, being a hunter, meant that he could trap/confuse his father with questions like how to make sacrifices of salt and straw. And that Jacob, being a simple man, meant that he was not skilled in his brother's craft, and that his heart was the same as his mouth. The way that this comment increased our understanding of the text is that Rashi was able to think outside the box which made us think about the details in a different way. This increased our understanding of the text.
    Bye

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  12. Commentator: Stone Edition Chumash
    Question: What did Esau's hair represent? How is it different from David's? What lesson is this midrash trying to teach?
    Answer: It was red and it represented his murderous nature. It is different from David's because David had beautiful eyes meaning he would kill for good.
    Morals: Even though we can be perceived in a bad way by out looks. We can perform good actions to not be percieved as that

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    1. Maybe that's where the whole "redheads don't have souls" thing comes from.

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  13. Micah and Leora
    Rashi's commentary answers guide question number 4,According to Rashi on verse 27, what does it mean that "Esau was a man who understood hunting"? What does it mean that Jacob was a "simple" or "innocent" man?. Rashi says that Esau was a man who understands hunting means that he knows how to trap and deceive is father "with his mouth" because he asks his father how to kasher something. He focuses on hunting animals and kashering them. Rashi says that Jacob was an innocent man means that he was the opposite of someone who deceives his father; who doesn't know how to kasher or cut an animal. This commentary proves how different Esau and Yakov are. It reminds us that they are complete opposites.

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  14. My commentators name is Rashi and we answered question four, "According to Rashi on verse 27, what does it mean that " Esau was a man who understood hunting"? What does it mean that Jacob was "simple" or "innocent" man?" In my own words Esau was tricking/trapping his father into thinking he was interested in God and other things.

    Gavy and Josh

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  15. Rashi says that when the text says that Esau was a man who understood hunting it meant he knew how to trap and to deceive his father with his mouth and ask him,“Father, how do we tithe salt and straw?” His father thereby thought that he was scrupulous in his observance of the commandments. When the Torah says that Jacob was a man of the innocent Rashi says it means that He was not an expert in all these [matters]. Like his heart, so was his mouth. A person who is not astute at deceiving is called תָּם, innocent.


    Shai and Tani wrote this comment.

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  16. The name of our Commentator is Rabbi Mordecai Finley of Text Messages. Our question and his question is "What is the most serious thing that ever happened to Esau was?" Mordecai Finley thinks that Esau's most serious event was admitting to himself and the President that he doesn't know himself and doesn't understand his talents and weaknesses. Esau got emotional in Text Messages and cried from remembering his jeolousy of his brother and his comparisons of Esau and Jacob. According to Rabbi Finley, Esau was guilty for being self centered and competitive. Esau portrays being emotionally dysfunctional, hard working, strong and quick, determined, and unreligious in Text Messages. But I think that Jacob isn't much better because he is lazy, slow and weak, religious, wimpy, smart, witty, and knowledgable. Text Messages makes Esau think he's bad for being unreligious and ego centric. But the Torah at least understands that Jacob was bad for stealing the birthright and being lazy. By Ben
    (and Dave)

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    1. I don't think there is any evidence that Jacob was lazy or slow, it just says he spent his time in his tent. I also don't think that Esau was spiritually dysfunctional--if one doesn't do the silent Amidah is one spiritually dysfunctional? also it isn't bad--Just 'cause one doesn't do the amidah is that person bad?

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  17. Shout out to Micah and Leora for doing so many questions so thoughtfully!

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